Date: April 17th, 2017
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Anarchistmermaid
Unpopular onion on the terfblr™ but there are instances (mostly irl) where misgendering is not literal violence but could literally /lead to/ violence. like if you use ‘she/her’ pronouns for a trans man in front of cis men you are putting him at risk please do not do that
Mautlyn
also if you call eg. a passing trans woman he/him in front of cis men it can potentially put her in serious danger. I mean I think misgendering someone on purpose is generally very disrespectful and mean but yeah like especially don’t do it in front of cis dudes lmao
Moodyvegan
Nope, I will not lie about someone’s biological sex, the most I will do is call that person by name. Also, you’re once again blaming others for the violence men commit, so stop that. I am under no obligation to go along with someone’s delusion, they could easily use it to manipulate me into doing something I don’t want to do. Males calling themselves women already use male violence to try to coerce women to do what they want.
Toomanymurlocs
@moodyvegan is 100% right
And in most cases like…those hypothetical violent men that you want to protect trans people from…they can tell perfectly well what someone’s biological sex is, regardless of pronouns. People have eyes and ears.
Auntiewanda
Also why is there seemingly no responsibility being attributed to these violent men who would beat up a woman calling herself a man? Everyone, including men, act like men are just naturally, impulsively, uncontrollably violent, and yet no one will take them to task for it.
Valkyriesong
^^ tbh.
And the fact is, by putting responsibility on women not to “misgender” trans people for the violence they may face for being gender non-conforming, you’re saying that regular ol’ gende non-conforming people who don’t identify as trans deserve to be assaulted and should expect to be assaulted and it’s just ~nobody’s fault~, whereas we should take measures to protect gnc people who identify as trans.
It’s not really any different from how women are pressured to accept males in the women’s bathroom because otherwise, we’re to blame when men assault them in the men’s bathroom. But the implication is simply that only gnc males who identify as trans deserve to be “protected” (by putting women and girls at risk and destroying women’s spaces), while non-trans-identifying gnc males deserve to be assaulted and should expect assault and should not have any recourse.
What we have to do is make it unacceptable to assault gender non-conforming people, not kowtow to harmful, damaging, dangerous “gender identity” bullshit.
eta: Also it is fucking disgraceful and disappointing to see people in radfem space using “cis” unironically. Thank you for confirming that you believe women identify with our oppression, that’s cool, gtfo.
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